tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post968917699475711430..comments2023-09-27T07:48:02.772-05:00Comments on Western College Hockey: Not So Fast, My FriendUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-74362127133001694362008-05-12T21:31:00.000-05:002008-05-12T21:31:00.000-05:00No, Malone is not from MN. He may live here now bu...No, Malone is not from MN. He may live here now but he was basically in Minnesota for one year prior to college and that wasn't in the Twin Cities but rather in Faribault. He is from Pittsburgh. End of discussion.<BR/><BR/>If you are going to bring players into the discussion, how about keeping it within the scope of the meaning of the blog's post?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-88291002361009281262008-05-12T17:42:00.000-05:002008-05-12T17:42:00.000-05:00Anyone who bashes the Gophers then throw a "Go Bad...Anyone who bashes the Gophers then throw a "Go Badgers!" at the end of it has to be a St. Cloud fan. They like to throw insults and then hide behind someone else's back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-86110717712264888132008-05-12T14:52:00.000-05:002008-05-12T14:52:00.000-05:00"If I am not mistaken Ryan Malone isn't from the s..."If I am not mistaken Ryan Malone isn't from the state of hockey."<BR/><BR/>Yes he is.<BR/><BR/>http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/05/01/pennsylvania-the-new-state-of-hockey/1#c11942988Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-72733627624966052302008-05-12T11:05:00.000-05:002008-05-12T11:05:00.000-05:00Whoever said Thomas Vanek is missing the point com...Whoever said Thomas Vanek is missing the point completely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-12145743024500713202008-05-12T09:59:00.000-05:002008-05-12T09:59:00.000-05:00To be fair, those guys that played for the Gophers...To be fair, those guys that played for the Gophers are on average higher "impact" NHL players than those from the non-Gopher list.<BR/><BR/>Although, I'm proud to say Parish and Hedican fall into the "impact" category for the non-Gophers!!<BR/><BR/>Still though, it's all a mater of how predictive the scouting is. Woog and Lucia did just fine in that department, but credit should be given others for maybe doing a slightly better job at prediction. (Dahl?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-20941056505174036752008-05-12T09:25:00.000-05:002008-05-12T09:25:00.000-05:00Correction: Toby Peterson played for Lucia at CC ...Correction: Toby Peterson played for Lucia at CC and Preissing had been recruited to play for CC while Lucia was still coaching there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-84623833371164366042008-05-12T09:14:00.000-05:002008-05-12T09:14:00.000-05:00Toby Peterson and Tom Preissing were both recruite...Toby Peterson and Tom Preissing were both recruited by Don Lucia when he was coaching at CC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-20246776210257225762008-05-12T09:04:00.000-05:002008-05-12T09:04:00.000-05:00Coaching anyone? Pretty clear Lucia cannot develo...Coaching anyone? Pretty clear Lucia cannot develop players to the next level. Bash Garth Snow all you want....but he is right. Lucia and his system don't work beyond the college years for players. Go Badgers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-64450117176751692272008-05-12T01:09:00.000-05:002008-05-12T01:09:00.000-05:00Maybe one should ask Garth Snow what he thinks of ...Maybe one should ask Garth Snow what he thinks of the Gopher program as a development model.<BR/>Perhaps players feel that they can develop better elsewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-40299230938142234602008-05-11T23:38:00.000-05:002008-05-11T23:38:00.000-05:00" think you missed a few U of M guys. Thomas Vanek..." think you missed a few U of M guys. Thomas Vanek, Keith Ballard. Phil Kessel, Ben Clymer, John Pohl, Wyatt Smith, Ryan Potulny, Erik Rasmussen played 71 games in 2006-2007. Goligoski had couple of games with the loaded penguins."<BR/><BR/>Again another clueless poster. Maybe you should read the actual post before you comment on it. Or maybe Clem Haskins had someone read for you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-53973960789453256782008-05-11T23:24:00.000-05:002008-05-11T23:24:00.000-05:00Correct me if I'm wrong. If I recall I think the ...Correct me if I'm wrong. If I recall I think the reason Toby Petersen didn't go to UMTC is because as part of him signing with a team the team had to agree to also include his brother. At the time Woog wasn't willing to do that and CC was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-74406111012046675742008-05-11T20:20:00.000-05:002008-05-11T20:20:00.000-05:00Interesting post, but three other things to consid...Interesting post, but three other things to consider:<BR/><BR/>1) College hockey teams exist to win championships, not produce NHL players. <BR/><BR/>2) Such a statistic would have been more damning 20 years ago. These days, kids are playing all over -- in camps, national teams, select teams, NTDP, USHL, Shattuck -- and they're seeing a much larger world than the one that exists in the Twin Cities. A lot of people would love to argue this, but there are things to like about those other institutions, and a lot of them aren't all that far away from the Twin Cities. <BR/><BR/>3) Some top kids don't want to go to the U primarily because the school continually gets top talent; they'd rather be the top dog somewhere else. That's their prerogative, and it's not always an unwise choice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-55881576294007815602008-05-11T16:16:00.000-05:002008-05-11T16:16:00.000-05:00Is it really that much of a mystery?During this sa...Is it really that much of a mystery?<BR/><BR/>During this same time the Gophers have had Vanek, Kessel, G. Potulney, R. Potulney, Chucko, and Irmen from outside Minnesota. Plus the Gophers recruit the whole state not just the metro. To use recent recruiting as an example When you take Aaron Ness and Jake Youso you miss out on Jake Gardiner and Danny Mattson. Minnesota just produces too many good prospects for the Gophers to get every great player.<BR/><BR/>I could understand the critique if someone had great success at each level. But besides Gilbert, who has else has won a National Championship? I mean other than Leopold, Martin, Tallackson, and Taffe. We know none of the St. Cloud kids ever won a NCAA game let alone a championship. <BR/><BR/>So, nice try. Better luck next time. <BR/><BR/>By the way, was Gerbe really from Michigan? How did Red miss him?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-4621815723222887582008-05-11T16:11:00.000-05:002008-05-11T16:11:00.000-05:00If I am not mistaken Ryan Malone isn't from the st...If I am not mistaken Ryan Malone isn't from the state of hockey.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-55043948259615550412008-05-11T14:50:00.000-05:002008-05-11T14:50:00.000-05:00matt niskanen?matt niskanen?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-14864453229617488582008-05-11T14:48:00.000-05:002008-05-11T14:48:00.000-05:00Ryan Malone is from Pittsburgh, he played at Shatt...Ryan Malone is from Pittsburgh, he played at Shattuck through his junior year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-64736929581165073812008-05-11T14:15:00.000-05:002008-05-11T14:15:00.000-05:00And not everyone qualifies academically for Minnes...And not everyone qualifies academically for MinnesotaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-36361821748504257082008-05-11T11:47:00.000-05:002008-05-11T11:47:00.000-05:00I think you missed a few U of M guys. Thomas Van...I think you missed a few U of M guys. Thomas Vanek, Keith Ballard. Phil Kessel, Ben Clymer, John Pohl, Wyatt Smith, Ryan Potulny, Erik Rasmussen played 71 games in 2006-2007. Goligoski had couple of games with the loaded penguins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-65851667421836451702008-05-11T09:24:00.000-05:002008-05-11T09:24:00.000-05:00Unless the Twin Cities magically annexed Ryan Malo...Unless the Twin Cities magically annexed Ryan Malone's hometown of Pittsburgh into the Twin Cities area, he has no bearing on the discussion. Get a map and his biography because you look totally clueless anon 11:41.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-26864005255692184592008-05-10T23:41:00.000-05:002008-05-10T23:41:00.000-05:00Add Ryan Malone and the Huskies have the Gophs tie...Add Ryan Malone and the Huskies have the Gophs tied.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-77693106255161212662008-05-10T23:32:00.000-05:002008-05-10T23:32:00.000-05:00Who cares what the Twin Cities situation looks lik...Who cares what the Twin Cities situation looks like when they have recruited a good percentage of players from outside of that area in the past? Its not as if all they do is focus on a 30 mile radius surrounding Minneapolis. <BR/><BR/>Not to mention comparing one school to a combination of ten or so teams.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-79599509819709599602008-05-10T22:25:00.000-05:002008-05-10T22:25:00.000-05:00I think Twin City kids should move onto new horizo...I think Twin City kids should move onto new horizons when it comes to who they play for. Staying home does not grow you as a person. I think if they move onto other programs they will find growth within themselves and more likely become NHL'ers. Simple psychology. Even if Mankato or St Cloud is as far as they go. Gophers should pick up nothing but small town kids like Roseau, Warroad, Hibbing, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-30140333315802777482008-05-10T22:23:00.000-05:002008-05-10T22:23:00.000-05:00I know others will put it as more of a flame on yo...I know others will put it as more of a flame on you, Chris, than a rational thought, but let me comment something:<BR/><BR/>First, the argument may be more valid than you think. True, there are more Twin Cities boys who went to other schools that have made the NHL than those that went to UMN, but if you compare them individually, then the argument is valid. SCSU (if I counted correctly) is second with 5 (that in itself is a big story...a team that historically has faced being the punchline of the NCAA tourney, had to endure St. Cloud and its pathetic University academia-wise, and of course, Coach Dahl).<BR/><BR/>Second, what it really amounts to is a crap shoot. How they stand up in college may not always translate to the next level (see Sejna, Panzer, Demarchi, Lessard, Goehring, Bonin, etc.) And others may get into the NHL by some miracle and suddenly just become electric (Dustin Penner is a big example, Tim Thomas, Carter from MSUM, and I'm sure I'm missing a few). You don't know what you are getting when you get them. That's why recruiters simply try to recruit guys who impress the scouts and project to develop well and fit into your school's system (to oversimplify the whole thing).<BR/><BR/>Who really knows.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-19996191100385078952008-05-10T21:08:00.000-05:002008-05-10T21:08:00.000-05:00Add Tim Jackman, Minnesota State, to your list.Add Tim Jackman, Minnesota State, to your list.Shane Frederickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01221850446946345937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12302090.post-86854236673590410972008-05-10T20:33:00.000-05:002008-05-10T20:33:00.000-05:00If you go back a couple more seasons you can add A...If you go back a couple more seasons you can add Adam Berkhoel to the list too- U of Denver.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com